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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 4, 2006 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

What's the deal with him? His voice is absolutely horrible.. and i love it.. but what's the deal? it sounds like he doesn't even try [singing] in the 80's. And why does he always sing throwing stones like he is a sick rhinoceros, yelping in pain? And why does he always have that stare in his hollow eyes? It's plain weird. I always hear of Jerry as the one who delved into drugs (but then again, not delving into psychedelics.. well.. maybe earlier on) but bobby? The looks he gets on his face make it seem like he did a lot of acid? And does he know he sings flat most of the time!! I just can't understand this.. i mean.. i like it and all, and i love when he puts out a lot of energy, although in the 80's and 90's the energy kind of slips away..anyways, i have to know that i'm not the only one hearing this and seeing this. Bobby seems like he is the odd one out in the band.. but that of course makes him fit in even better, and it completes the band.. anyways sorry about this rant.. i just had to get it out.. no one else to say it to.
-max

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 4, 2006 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Righteous critical analysis of any of the band members, or the band as a whole is always instructive, giving us a clue where to look for the best work. Blatant pot-shots are what they are. I've learned to trust many folks opinions here from actually taking the time to listen to the examples they set forth. Then again, there are others that don't know poop from poop-ola.

After 30 years of touring, anyone's voice will have suffered the ravages of the road. Clapton has had some excellent interviews in Guitar Player magazine regarding the incredible amount of vocal dynamics it takes to overcome an electric band onstage. The Dead were no strangers to the problem expecially with overcoming two drummers and the unearthly heavy volumes of the Phil-Bombs. That's exactly why they tested and developed the earplug monitors so many bands use today.

Not unlike Garcia, Bobby's voice had a degree of deterioration over the years. In the early 70's his voice was very musical, but as time wore on it more closely resembled spoken word. The harmony singing from Europe 72 is absolutely superb, as was his guitar playing. Listening to '79 and forward there's a distinct difference in the quality of his vocals....not to mention the rest of the band.

For my money, Bruce Hornsby was te best and least intrusive harmony vocalist of all the keyboard players. Very pleasant and rarely off key.



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Poster: jhender501 Date: Nov 4, 2006 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Very well put, Sydthecat. I love Bobby's singing, particularly late 80's-90's. And I don't know if the Dead would be the Dead without his guitar playing. I love shows where his playing comes through high in the mix. The intracacies (sp?) that are going on are incredible.


Jim

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 4, 2006 10:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Amen Earl. The more I listen, the more I agree. Bobby rocks the ax.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 4, 2006 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

maybe it's because of all the spit ......

weir has a fantastic voice don't know what you are listening /hearing . how about some examples of this horrible singing....

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 4, 2006 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Are you serious? I don't know if you are a musician.. but being one.. i have pretty relative pitch.. and it sticks out like a sore pinky when Bob sings most of the time [him singing off key stands out]. I grew to like that kind of thing though when I got into the velvet underground. Lou, however.. well.. he is in my book, a better singer. (and his growls are better :B) But it really is a fact that Bob, a lot of the time does not hit notes based on the key that the song is in..

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 4, 2006 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

in my opinion.. not sound wise.. but pitch wise.. brent has, by far, the most voice compared to anyone that was ever in the band.. i don't know about hornsby or vince.. haven't heard much of them.. infact i don't even know if hornsby sings at all.. ah.. the perks of learning.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Nov 4, 2006 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Listen to his guitar playing. As he finally started to pay more attention to his muse the influence of John Coltrane, McCoy Tyner is clear. Particularly the latter. His chording behind Jerry was one of a kind and there is no other rythym guitarist in the rock idiom that could have played so sympatico with its resident genius. The combo of him, Phil, Mickey and Bobby was always stunning but particularly so when Brent and early keith were in the mix. Vince, who started out promisingly then dropped the ball bigtime, only proves, through his lack of imagination and laziness, what an inventive and intuitive mind Bobby had and has.

Anyone who bashes Bobby doesn't get the Grateful Dead.

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

That's all I'm saying syd!

The GD was the original jamband for christsakes! That means they improvise and experiment and yes, sometimes mess up - not all experiments work. Real jamming is high risk stuff. I suspect that among the Deadheads here are also Dead fans who constantly evaluate elements of voice, pitch and all that crap and say he's slipping here or that's not working there........Ya think??

Deadheads FEEL the music and it's like no other. Name another band in the history of music period whose live concerts are so sought after and collected! For the Dead fans who need perfectly duplicated tunes, there are many other bands that do that.

Even with a road weary voice, hollow eyes, and "whatever"...he's still a brilliant rhythm guitarist who continues to tour and innovate (see interview re: including a rapper during the "Cheesedog" tour)

Weir is the man.... and deserves respect for all he has and continues to accomplish!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Nov 9, 2006 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Right on Kim.

I had a friend who dissed a version of Terrapin on a tape from '85 that I had because Jerry hits a bum note at the beginning of the titanic closing jam. What a complete waste of time!

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 4, 2006 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

hi Max

there are very few Garcia's of this world...people who won't allow the fervor of the moment to distract them from there initial purpose...but eventually the fame and glory consumed him too, just in a slower and more internally destructive manner

reminds me of a line from Hemmingway's The Sun Also Rises "...almost everyone misbehaves if given the chance..." (disclaimer for those that would choose to quibble: quote might not be the exact wording)

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Poster: JodyC Date: Nov 4, 2006 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Just a quick note- get some Bruce music tonigt. Does he sing- wonderfully. He cover some Dead offf and on as he was friends with JG. I think theres some on dimeadozen.

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Poster: TulaneGDead Date: Nov 5, 2006 2:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

dear max-
you're retarded.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 5, 2006 5:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

hey tulane,

i'm not looking to stir it up.

name calling isn't going to advance the conversation.

let's give the kid a break.

ian

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 5, 2006 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

When in Rome, one should not bash the Pope. Even if he's wearing Richard Simmons drawers.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 5, 2006 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

a certain amount of selective tone deafness can greatly help in getting past the rubble to the rubies

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 5, 2006 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

hey now -- im sickened.. i come to find that i am questionably called a space cadet.. i get news for you.. I -am- a space cadet! :-)

midnightsun: regarding the hornsby.. is it a website?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 5, 2006 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

you really need to check out Hornsby - truly a great artist and fun show. jawdropping piano - schooled right here in good ol boston - my friend went to school with him - great guy from what i hear.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 5, 2006 10:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

linkage would be nice... :D

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Poster: JodyC Date: Nov 6, 2006 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Max- there are a bunch of shows on bt.etree.org Just search the bands. You can't go wrong from early stuff to last week, band or solo. get a mix and treat yourself. he has a lot of decent commercial stuff too.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 5, 2006 11:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Max:

sorry, can't help much in regards to Bruce Hornsby...my limited understanding is that he performed with GD after Brent passed on, starting fall of 90 until ?...that would be an era i know very little about so i will leave it to others (should be lots on this site???)

the only Hornsby with GD i listened to also had Vince playing as well...me being primarily a fan of instrumental jazz trios and quartets, the 2 drummists plus 2 guitarists plus 2 pianists format is far too many notes for my ears...doesn't leave any space for the listener's imagination

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 6, 2006 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Gotta weigh in here re: Bobby...

First, I am a big fan and yes his voice is shot. I saw him this summer with RD and there is an aging quality but just look at all the shows on this site. Simple overuse - end of story....

....except you DID bash him by questioning if he's even "trying"?? How dare you! The man's a F'n road/music warrior. Listen to the show of him singing on the night Jerry died - that takes guts!If you have 1/2 of his moxie (???) you'll do OK in life.

This is like the bat boy dogging Cal Ripken. What a joke

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 7, 2006 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

gotta agree with you on that one man - balls like a bull!!! don't think i could have done it - and it was a great show too - kudos the bob that night. you are right on man.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 8, 2006 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

look... all i was doing was making observations.. and seeing if i was the only one who noticed this. I havent been to any shows, i'm no guru... i'm still earning, and quite fast i might add. If you [general you, you being "all".. as in if i were infront of a group of people and said "you all") don't agree with my observations.. you have the choice to respond, or not respond. you responded...Some people tried to flame me because they took my intentions wrong, some disagreed, and some went out of their way to help me out with the other facets of my rant, like hornsby's singing. bottom line is i still -know- bobby sings flat a lot, i know he's got that hollow stare:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002SPPRI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

tell me that is not a hollow stare? To further my observation.. if you listen to the Q&A part of the DVD Ticket To New Year's.. one person says the same thing too, and everyone agrees!

I don't have any tangible person to discuss dead with.. so this thread was simply me relaying my thoughts out to people. The fact remains I love bobby's voice, i love his growls, and i love his guitar skills.

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Max - a simple question: In the scheme of things....what does Bobby's facial expressions (stare) have to do with anything constuctive or meaningful??

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 8, 2006 7:02pm
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see.. tigerbolt just helped me out

tigerbolt: Thank you.. i was wondering if Bobby had ingested a lot of lsd.. I was just kind of confused because I would have thought the older people in the band would ingested more.. but Jerry or any of the members don't have that look in their eyes. Perhaps it was because Bobby was the youngest, and affected his developing brain the most?


See kimbajed.. this is what my thread was constructed for. Discussion of course :) Even though yours and some other people's may not be positive though, I still deem it to be discussion.

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

OK then....here's a little more advice to help you:

It's always cool to say your piece about issues concerning the GD, but a measure of respect for the bandmembers is always a good idea, especially when being critical. Check the "tone" of your original post and you'll see why myself and others took exception. That's all..

Best of luck with your musical career



(((THE OMNIPOTENT GRATEFUL DEAD)))

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 8:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

there was no noticeable measure of disrepect in his post. many others have come across far worse. plus, he is pretty much right.

time to chill on this. it might be a good idea to go through your prior posts (if any) and make sure you never said anything that "might" be construed in a "different" manner. then i'll rip you a new one like youv'e been trying to rip him. trust me my friend, im much better at "ripping" than you. time to shut up please.

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:12pm
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(((THE OMNIPOTENT GRATEFUL DEAD)))

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:19pm
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yo kimba - head back to the delusional jungle - no band is perfect nor is any artist.

wasn't kimba the little cute white tiger in some afternoon cartoon when i was a kid??? how cute. i'm not sure his claws were big enough though....

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:24pm
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dw - Thanks for setting me straight on the perfect/imperfect thing regarding bands - and well-crafted I might add! Of course you are the self-annointed superior wordsmith.

Being the true DH that you are I'm certain that you recognized the "omnipotent" quote and took it for how it was intended and yes - Kimba the White Lion was the cartoon. I was called that for years.


"Saint Stephen!"

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:33pm
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oooh - sarcasm. i love it! thanks for the compliment ;)

damn, i thought Kimba was the white lion - lol. holy crap, i hadn't thought of that show in years and years!!! i used to LOVE watching that with my little sister. awesome!! brings me back - thanks for triggering those memories.

(why the heck were/are you called kimba - you don't have to answer, just curious)

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:41pm
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hey dirwolfe, that wasn't much fun, he already rolled over and played dead

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:48pm
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it must have been my mesmerizing old wolf effect over a young lion cub. ;)

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:43pm
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i hope not, this is more fun than conan!

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:52pm
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sorry boys....we're back to being kind, tofu eating deadheads......peace out... oh and have a grate night!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:54pm
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conan rules - hilarious show - and i'm sitting here watching a depressing CSI (of course, that is just to drool over Jorja Fox)

sorry for ruining the fun. damn, i swear i must have gotten neutered without knowing it sometime over the past month. how disconcerting. damn friggin claws keep retracting at the most inopportune times - lol.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 8, 2006 10:00pm
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all's well that ends well.

i'm off to puff.

later all...

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:40pm
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dw - my compliments on "lightening up" the tone on a DH brother.

My dad read Rudyard Kipling's "Kim", gave me the name, then split when I was five. When Johnny Cash broke out with "A Boy Named Sue" he was tellin my story!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:50pm
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i just wanted the whole thread to lighten up (to the chagrin of some people who are used to me tearing out people's throats - lol). Max is cool, and i thought he was getting treatment that was a bit harsh. Thanks for going along with lightening things up a bit.

interesting story - sorry about your dad splitting - that is rough, real rough (i would assume). thankfully i'm still really really close to my two little kids, even though i am not at "home." (actually just 6 miles down the street - makes it pretty easy).

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 10:00pm
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But you're still THERE with them even if not with their mother. That'll make all the difference! Didn't meet my dad till 23....wierd day. No bigee - made peace with it many years ago.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 10:07pm
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Very very true - i promised myself that would be the case no matter what else happened. They stay with me every other weekend and two overnights during every "weekday week". so yeah, i have them alot. wouldn't trade that for the world.

Glad you have come to peace with your situation man. That is not easy at all i would imagine. Actually, i can't imagine - but i am glad for ya. peace

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 10:25pm
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i can't imagine how difficult that would be bro, makes me thankful for what i had/have

all the best to you Kimbajed

and kudos to the 600 lbs. of sin for putting the fun back into this...just thinking the past week or so this has been way serious...

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 11:41pm
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I agree Midnight Sun......

"C'mon and let the good times roll,
we're gonna stay here till it soothes our soul,
if it takes all night long!"

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:30pm
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kimba-neut i believe, hadn't grown any balls yet

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:32pm
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my bad - looks like I ended up on a jr. high board by mistake....

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:34pm
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that's right, now run on back to your mommy you little pussy

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:37pm
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yawn..........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:56pm
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nighty-night sweat pea

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 10:02pm
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lol - it was still cool to remember that great Kimba cartoon - i can almost hear the theme song :)

(i have issues)

he did tone it down though rather quickly - must have been my wolfish intimidation ;)

(hey, i said i had issues)

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 10:10pm
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this thread, what with all it's venom to Max and Kimba's confusion regarding mistaken identities needed just the right amount of ridicule to show us all the light of the noonday sun

i'm right proud of you dire

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 8, 2006 10:20pm
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lol - took me quite a while to jump in after reading it all day - but like mcglone said "All's well that ends well" (a great Shakespeare play, i might add - one of my favs). not quite as good as "much ado about nothing" - but that would fit also.

I'm off to nitey-nite-land to rest my weary bones. nite all - cya tomorrow!

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 8, 2006 10:29pm
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Kimbajed: Umm I don't know about tofu eating..... :P

But nah direwolf and kimba.. i know it was pretty much derogatory... if you go thru my posts in this thread, you will see how i acknowledged this earlier on. I re-read my initial post a while back, and saw how it could be taken as just straight up bashing, especially if you have selective reading and omit the parts where i praise bobby. Odd thread here.. didn't mean to provoke drama.. oh well. whoever said "all is well that end's well" pretty much summed it up.

P.S. Kimbajed: to mock you...

"Do you feel you are being exploited?"

:) i love that segment. I often wonder how he felt when he bought the DVD and saw himself in it

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 9, 2006 1:00am
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ya done good Max!

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 9, 2006 1:46am
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ah! speak of the devil. I gotta email you back. I'll send you that Sunshine daydream too.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 8, 2006 6:59pm
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kimbajed: What does any type of observation have to do with anything constructive or meaningful? Why analyze? Screw psychology. Ever heard of the quote "I think, therefore I am"? It was said by the 17th century philosopher and mathematician Rene Descartes. It is an "explanation for everything." Now I told you.. I said it because it was my observation, some of you will agree, disagree, decline to comment, or as some did, even go so far as to help me out in other facets that poured out the my post.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 8, 2006 4:37pm
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the hollow stare is just the byproduct of a lot of induced lsd.have a lot of old tour buddies that have the same look.buy the ticket,take the ride.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 7, 2006 12:43pm
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you seem very confused about who said what about who

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 7, 2006 4:14pm
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responding to original post on this thread - put out the blunt!

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 7, 2006 8:25pm
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kimbajed:

the clearest way to respond to the original post is to open up that post and click "Reply to this post"

this may also help you to re-exam the original post to make sure you haven't misunderstood something, particularly if you are lashing out at someone

besides, it's only fair that the original poster not be blind sided

oh well, better luck next time


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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 7, 2006 8:35pm
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Didn't know - just saw one long thread and tacked on the end.

I did read the original post carefully. I stand by what I said. Much of what you said has been discussed and rehashed for 30 years....spacey Bobby....hollow-eyed Bobby.....acid damaged Bobby......blah, blah, blah.......nothing new or original

....but to question his heart and his effort is where I take issue. If you match half his intensity, legacy, and endurance at nearly 60 then you have eaned the right. otherwise....

......yawn

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 12:06am
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you're doin' it again...i never questioned Bob's heart or his effort...if anything i have often wished in the 80's that Bob could just tone it down a little, but that is more about who i am, more attracted to the Garcia approach

in my past posts i may very well have questioned some of Bob's vocal choices, particularly at the end of one of my fav songs, Estimated, but only in an effort to try and understand him more, and just reading your last post i have once again grown closer to understanding Bobby, that is what keeps me coming back to this forum, despite the venom here :)

i don't mind you answering my posts as long as you can do so in a manner that encourages meaningful dialogue, but in this case it would be best for you to take this up directly with Mr. Chorak, who probably isn't even aware you burned him

btw, Max clearly stated:

"...it sounds like he doesn't even try [singing] in the 80's..."

i take this as a commentary confined to the way Bob sometimes uses his voice, not a slam on Bob’s overall effort

frankly, i'm amazed that young Max is even listening to GD...how many of us were completely drawn in without first attending?

us grumpy old buggers owe it to Max's generation to show a little patience in order that the GD legacy be continued for many generations...now that would be a grand show of respect for Mr. Weir and Co.!

oh, just one more thing, my Dad is 85 and still performing and writing music..and i’m convinced that music is primarily responsible for keeping him on the outside of an extended care home

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 6:26am
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OK - settle down - I said I tacked it on bfore which indicates that I didn't know how to do it! - just a little geography error...breathe deep and relax


The "sounds like he doesn't even try' post?? clearly a slam at his effort imo. Let's float it out to the forum for interptettion, OK?

"Why does he always have that stare in his hollow eyes?"

hmmm....dogging a man for his facial expressions?? I think you're right. Hard to generate meaningful dialouge on this stuff....sounds like "Access Hollywood" rather than a GD forum.

Hey maybe we can start threads about his wardrobe too!!! Of course in a manner that promotes "meaningful discussion"

BTW - I am not a mindless Weir apologist. I was very critical about what he did to the archive last year, but gave him a mulligan (second chance 0- forgiveness. At this point, I still back him and continue to putchase all RD and future Rhino stuff. If he touches this site again then THAT"S IT for me - no more $$$ to GD!

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

LOL - you're the one who's got his shit all tied up in a knot on this one bro...maybe if you didn't keep on making the same "little geography error" i wouldn't have to keep on rubbing your nose in it?

you don't need to continue to bother me or the rest of the forum regarding your misunderstandings with Max, so now that you know "how to do it", grow some balls and answer Max's post directly, you just might find that he's not all that scary after all

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Nice rant.

Of course you never addressed the issues I brought up re dogging Bobby and I can and will continue to participate with my opinion whenever I want! If it "bothers" you - don't click!

YOU may want to do some re-reads yourself of the replys to Max's original post. Apparantly a few others are unhappy with this cheap shot.

What part of: "I'm defending one of the greatest and innovative guitarists of all time" DON"T you understand?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 8, 2006 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Hey Kim....

Trust me on this, Midnight Sun is one of the most knowledgable and good-natured posters on this forum.

All he's saying is that you replied to him (whether meaning to or not) and attributed statements to him he did not make.

Concerning Bobby's vocal prowess or lack thereof, there are bound to be many varying opinions out there. I like to defend what I call Bobby's "Howard Dean" screams, b/c I thought they were fun and funny, but having seen Ratdog recently, I can tell you, his voice is long gone. And it's arguable it wasn't real great post 1988 or so as well.

Still, I'm a Garcia nut thru and thru and acknowledge straight away that HIS voice was probably the worst in teh band's next to Phil's in the later years and it was often painful to hear him try to sing a tune like Birdson, especially when compared to the beautiful state of his voice on the same song in 1973 or so.

Young Max may have offended your sensibilities re: Bobby's voice/stateof mind, etc., but it's all worthy of discussion without personal attacks. DeadHeads are among the most opinionated people in the world (who else would argue the minutae of the "best" tuning between songs are something equally as ridiculous and have strong feelings about it) but they are also usually among the more understanding and tolerant of other views.

Midnight simply wanted to clarify that you were attributing things to him that were said by someone else, and to point you directly to that person. That he had some opinions of his own along the way that differed from yours shouldn't be cause to get into a "thing" with him. My two cents.
Peace.
GC

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

thanks grendel

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Nov 8, 2006 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

In the spirit of the Grateful Dead....I apologize to anyone I offended and please know that it was not my intention.

...the river roll, roll, roll

KJ

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 8, 2006 2:01pm
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you still seem very confused about who said what about who

i cannot help you

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 5, 2006 1:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Hi Max - it's me, Ashes:
Just a couple of thoughts came to mind as I read your posts: 1.) Jerry absolutely Loved Bobby - I know that's got nothing to do with your comments but I'm just throwing it out there anyway - he absolutely Loved him; 2.) Bobby had some big-time throat surgery (mid-'80's? - anybody remember when?); and for whatever it is worth, 3.) he took care of his physical body better than anybody else not only in the band but in the general public as well --- his devotion to running either before or after a show was legendary -- incredible committment.; 4.) As for his eyes: I cannot possibly imagine everything he saw both under the influence of Vitamin A and being around that whole crew of people. Seven years younger than Phil had to have been difficult for him but he never wavered. Friggin' Neil Cassady with his psychotic rants would stand over Bobby endlessly some nights at 710 Haight giving him no possibility of sleep or solace and Bobby wouldn't say nothin' - just stare at the ceiling as psycho spewed his babble. ..I guess the small wheel does turn by fire and rod; we listen to the same things but hear it differently. If nothing else, check out "Me & Bobby McGee" from Portland (1974-05-19). ...apologies for the long post; just got back from three nights in a cheesy hotel with virtually no music due to the paper walls. -- AshesRising

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Poster: esreveRDelay Date: Nov 4, 2006 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Musician or not. You can't compare the grateful dead to much of anything, that's why they were the grateful dead. In sequence there are starter songs, set-up songs, those songs in the middle of nowhere and ending songs if they ever do. That's why Bob is Bob, and if you get confused listen to the music play. I think that's how it went. What a group.:)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 4, 2006 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Here we go, another unconstructive Bobby bashing thread. Bobby's contribution to the band was every bit as important as the rest.

As for who is vocally better? You want clear pristine perfect vocals? Why don't you go listen to Celine Dion or some other vocally pure singer who has nothing to say?

And as far as being a " musician" Max, what band are you in? Anyone I've ever heard of? Anyone I'll EVER hear of? Didn't think so.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Nov 5, 2006 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

On the space cadet note only- check out his interview tecquniques on the Letterman show excerpts on You Tube. Hilarious and definately a space cadet. Had to tripping on something.I could/would never question his singing.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 5, 2006 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Ah.. I forgot I was bashing Bobby.. I mean.. if you reread my post Johnnyonthespot.. you'll see how I say how i love the guy. I was simply putting out my observations, and sharing them with people who I thought I would be able to relay my thoughts with..apparently not you though. And Tulane.. I like your critical remark.. if you could back it up with some actual rational logical criticism, i might like it more. It takes a lot on your part to straight out call somebody "retarded". Maybe in a week or so you will remember your comment and look back on it.

"And as far as being a " musician" Max, what band are you in? Anyone I've ever heard of? Anyone I'll EVER hear of? Didn't think so."

Just a quote.. to let you see how ridiculous this sounds.

As for my musicianship status.. how irrelevant! What does my status matter at all? I am in no band.. i frequently jam with relatives and friend.. I don't want to be in a band. Most kids my age are into playing just power chords. Ludicrous..
I really find it funny that you criticize me, but based on your post, you obviously did not even read -my- post in its entirety.. Tulane and you, Johnny.. well.. you guys have no reading comprehension whatsoever.

Anyways..


Midnightsun: mchorak@gwc.cccd.edu is the address.. Yeah i'd love to hear some Hornsby

oh and as for his guitar playing, Sydthecat.. I totally dig it.. I'm learning a lot from him.. but i am not bashing bobby.. and i do get the dead :)

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 5, 2006 12:07pm
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Sorry but i'm just in disbelief. I've lurked this forum for a while now.. and i've constantly read you, TulaneGDead, and you, Johnnyonthespot, and apart from this, every post i've read of you guys.. well.. they were intelligent, constructive, meaningful posts.. but this.. this is your underlying jekyll/hyde shining through i reckon

My personal depiction of a deadhead is someone who is kind.
'Woh - oh, what I want to know, is are you kind?'



This post was modified by Max Chorak on 2006-11-05 19:57:23

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 5, 2006 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

Max, why don't YOU go re-read your post. Ask yourself what the hell your point is/was.My reading comprehension is just fine thank you, that's how I was able to know that some of your sentences were statements ending in a quesion mark. Don't go playing the poor me I'm being treated meanly bullshit when you start a post like that.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 5, 2006 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

haha. you made me smile.. You are so full of anger.. and the only thing that's coming out of it is your blood pressure flaring..

tell me what you don't agree with in my posts.. and i'd be glad to hold an intelligible conversation with you, mon ami


EDIT: "...and ask yourself what the point was/is"

I said my point. It was to relay my observations with people whom i thought i could trust.. If you look at say... mcglone's or midnightsun's posts in this thread.. you will find a big difference between their posts and yours. yours was malicious

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 5, 2006 12:24pm
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I'm not angry at you and beleive it or not my blood pressure is good. I just think your post was dumb and pretty much came across as Bobby bashing which I quite frankly get tired of. If this is maliscious to you so be it.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 5, 2006 12:50pm
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that's how to beat someone into submission johnny ;) gotta love it - i think it's time to grow my claws back - that looked fun :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 5, 2006 1:01pm
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holy crap Dire! I was wondering where you were. I thought to myself if Dire was here oh what a feeding frenzy that would be. Poor Max wouldn't have known what hit him. Man, I went completely light too and STILL had him thinking I'm mean.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 5, 2006 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby AKA Space Cadet

hahaha.. i dunno.. im a pacifist.. i'd try to avoid conflict at all costs.. and if it does arise.. settle it with words of course.. but no, i've seen direwolf go nutty, but not you, so it was a surprise..

yes, i love that west LA too! im at the second set break right now :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 5, 2006 1:15pm
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you've seen me go "nutty" - hey, what is that supposed to mean :)

me nice wolf

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 5, 2006 1:11pm
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i think someone must have brought me on that proverbial "ride into the country" and snipped me!!

i have been so disappointed in myself lately - lol. Time to grow a new pair and sharpen the claws. im missing out on the fun that you are having. this just will not do!

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 5, 2006 1:19pm
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there was a day where i decided to search your posts dire.. and i looked at all the super old ones.. there has been -some- drama in this GD forum :D

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 5, 2006 1:29pm
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damn! busted!!

you nosey bugger ;)

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Poster: jerryjoejackaroe Date: Nov 5, 2006 3:43pm
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New here. Bob was an excellent guitarist from 69 to 78. Totally innovative. In the late 70's he changed his guitar sound to this thin tinny annoying tone that resembled a telephone ringing when he would strum. His singing was always a bit off key. His songs were not as good as Jerry's either. Not his fault. My real problem with him is that he took away my soundboards!!! WAAAAAA! The dead was forgotten about for me until I found this site. It got me all revved up and I started downloading like crazy. My kids got into it and wear dead shirts and listen to scarlet begonias. Ages 12-10 and 6. I think the dead would have been better off letting us download and spread the music. Maybe they are making more money now. But they will end up fading away just like all the other 60's bands. They gave us a lot of enjoyment, but we supported them too.

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Poster: RiverRat1492 Date: Nov 5, 2006 5:05pm
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This started out as Bobby AKA Space Cadet, now its turned into Max AKA Space Cadet. I don't agree with Max's statement, but I don't know if I'd bash him. He's taking almost as much abuse as Donna, check that, not yet atleast...I'm no musician, so I can't say much on that end, but everyone has a bad day no matter what you do. Unfortunately for the Dead, as well as others, they're work has been recorded, (audio and/or visual), and played and replayed endless times, then discussed, gone over, compared, etc. (thanks to this site BTW.) I don't know how everyone here feels, but I'm sure as hell am glad I'm not recorded at work...R.Rat

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 5, 2006 12:31pm
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Alright.. i did do what you said.. and i re-read my post.. and i can totally (haha.. blatantly) see how it could come across as that.. but the fact remains that i love bobby.. and cherish his rhythym guitar skills.. and his singing too of course. It's funny.. my initial post was pretty much sentence for sentence picking at bobby.. but you criticize what you love right? I'm gunna go pop in Alpine Downhill dvd.. take care

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 5, 2006 12:52pm
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Max, nothing wrong with criticizing or having your own personal tastes etc. Just didn't make any sense to me. No hard feelings huh?

Downhill From Here - excellant choice. Love that West LA!

Oh, and two things that I'll bash on Bobby about - cut off shorts too damn short and he spits ! Other than that I love the guy, love his one of a kind style, love the way that he says what he feels and doesn't give a shit who gets offended by it. I love a lot about him. I saw that Comes a Time show a year ago and gotta say that was the most right on close to the real magic I've felt since seeing the Dead and it was because of Bob.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 4, 2006 12:02pm
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hi max,

you try performing on stage, night after night, for thirty years, then ask yourself that very same question.

here's to misfit power!

ian

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 4, 2006 12:09pm
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I am still not convinced. Jerry never sounded like a wailing antelope.. I mean.. in my opinion.. it -is- a fact (right? :D) that jerry's vocals are a lot more soulful than bobby..

I don't mean to rag on him.. even if i am.. it's definitely stemming from my intrigue with the guy. I hope ratdog tours soon over in california.

Okay so back to that topic.. jerry was a lot older, and i dont know if bobby smoked, but jerry smoked a hell of a lot of pall malls.. and he was older than bob.. and he still gave it his best shot (up to my knowledge at least.. i havent listened to many late 90's shows). Don't get me wrong.. I like bob's vocals a lot.. anything that strays from the norm. i like...

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